Tuesday, June 28, 2005

Movies And The Predetermined Destruction of Relationships Which Are Yet To Form . . .

doug said . . .

I DON'T GET THE MOVIE ADVICE. "First dates" are creepy. I always end up doing movies for First Meetings, but dates generally don't occur until I've hung out with someone dozens of times.

I'd have to say that in 100% of my relationships (sneaky math!), what was considered the first "date" was a movie, but that may be because I date girls who love movies.

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The topic of this title is a waste of words, I realize, but allow me to explain.

Imagine, for a moment, a bomb capable of imploding the earth. This bomb exists at the primordial stage of our planet. Right as the earth is evolving, plots showing fruition, and the first rose petals bloom . . . dear god, the whole thing has imploded. Oh my.

This, my friend, is the general consequence of a movie date.

I am, as implied with the word "general", generalizing. I supposed, rather pretentiously I confess, that avoiding movies, especially theaters, on the first date was common sense, and as evidence that I'm not entirely an asshole for thinking so, look at the Floyd's Garage Amazon List for Good First Date Movies.

Seems like Floyd was being a bit sarcastic, yes?

There is, of course, the possibility that both you and your date enjoy talking during movies. If so, congratulations, you've lucked out.

I hesitate to recommend new theater releases, and movies overall, along with any scenario which hinders intimate conversation betwixt two persons, for the very reason they hinder that communication. Two hours of silence followed by a half-hour cheap meal? How can one expect to get to know the person! Romance certainly can't be developed when two persons sit quietly in a crowded arena as actors prance about on the screen, munching popcorn.

Welcome, my friend, to Cheap High-School Excuses To Make Out 101. This is your teacher, Mr. Undateable.

How would you feel, may I ask, if your date sat silently next to you without a word? You saw her out and about, talked to her for a few minutes, got her number, and then asked her to sit silently next to you while an enormous screen flashed bright light in her eyes over a sweet, lovely meal of popcorn, raisenettes, and Sprite. Congratulations, Don Juan DeMarco, you've really made her feel special.

Look, throughout history, men have been attracted to beautiful woman, and woman are attracted to men who can provide, i.e. have money.

At some point you'll become friendly enough that this criteria will not hold the same import, but for the moment, be romantic, be special; either treat her like a princess and get her a fine meal with sweet wine (or the forceful taste of a red, if you're eating red meats or tomato sauced pasta), or make her feel like you get to know her.

Don't spend twenty bucks at a cheap theater getting her buttered popcorn when she likes it salted and make her feel like she's your make-out buddy for the next week.

I'm being idealistic, I realize this, supposing a relationship (a successful one) will blossom from whomever you next introduce yourself to, and I won't insist that all first-date movies end in no second-date phone call; simply give yourself the best chance you can, get to know her the best you can, and all those "best chance" things that come with it.

And with quarto's insistance that a walk will suffice, and grandly so, why not save yourself a couple wasted bucks on stale popcorn and put that money towards a nice meal? Even if the date turns to shit, the overpriced shrimp will be worthwhile.

12 Comments:

Blogger Mrs. D'Arcy said...

Excellent, excellent dating advise. From a woman's perspective, long walks near a lake, beach, river are wonderful places to take a leisurely stroll and talk -- get to know a person.

Quiet coffee shops are also relaxing and are places were little pressure is placed on the couple.

Thank you for making it as plain and crystal clear rainwater that a movie is a horrid place for a first date --

Add to that, loud noisy bars/clubs! There is nothing worse than yelling at someone you don't know in an attempt to have a conversation.

Keep up the good work!

12:26 AM  
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12:26 AM  
Anonymous Doug said...

All this would make me horribly insecure about my dating STYLEZ, except that I still disagree with you 100%. A movie is a Thing Of Interest, much like skeeball or a parade or perhaps a popular music band, that can be enjoyed and discussed. The one thing I do not want, at any point ever, is to have to talk about myself or tell stupid stories or, well, make eye contact. But that last one is kind of my personal taste. Without a movie (or a facsimile), there is NO FALLBACK during the following dinner. There is nothing. I can't argue about anything, I can't debate or discuss "earlier works" or go into tangents about other actors.

I think this is better expressed as:
The idea of "wanting to go on a date" with someone is stupid. To me. Nothing could be weirder or lamer or more awkward or forced than entering a situation in which there is No Romance via romantic context. My deal is "I want to see a movie and another person wants to see the same movie." This is the perfect deal.

This person does not want 'do activities' with me, or 'walk' with me, or 'have dinner' with me, nobody thinks "gee, maybe I'll go walk this weekend. Maybe Doug could come along."
The activity should not be structured around a person, people who structure activities around other people suck and I don't want to hang out with them. The mindset should never be "I'm going to go out with XXX Saturday night, I'm not sure what we're going to do yet," it should be, "I'm going out to save the world from terrorists Saturday night, maybe I'll invite along Vin Diesel or Ice Cube."

MYTH: COFFEE SHOPS HAVE NO PRESSURE
Coffee shops are evil. There's a LOT of pressure there, sir, a LOT. You have nothing! Nothing! You're just expected to do something unnatural and unlikeable: Make conversation with someone you don't know, and make it about a subject Yet To Be Determined. The coffee shop is the date equivalent of being accidentally trapped in an elevator with a stranger. No one wants that!

If you wouldn't do it alone or with an unaccompanied friend, you shouldn't be doing it on a date.
Sitting in coffee shops is annoying enough alone, sitting in one while being tested for dateability is sheer horror. Nobody thinks "you know what I'd like to do Friday? Sit across from someone in a public forum known for intelligent discussion among friends and try to meet their exacting standards without really knowing them well at all or even knowing why I'm trying to impress them because I don't know them."

What I wanna do on Friday is
play board games
or see a really bizarre new movie
or go to Chuck E. Cheese. If I include another person on these activities, it's perfect! There is no pressure, no context, no forced conversation, and no assumption that either of us are being "judged" or forced to watch ourself and gussy up our less attractive features. 'This is something I would do with anyone!', I say to myself pridefully, 'And this is something they would do with anyone! How nice that we have interests that overlap!'

Activities of overlapping interest is important and fun and brings out the best qualities of everyone involve. "You" is not an overlapping interest, because the other person's "you" is you. Well, possibly.

Why give someone a weird, difficult, awkward 'special' treatment when you're still trying to find out if you want to give them special treatment?

*hops up and down in mock-fury*

This was all kind of disjointed.

12:53 PM  
Anonymous Doug said...

How many times this week will I be forced to pull out the phrase 'gussy up?'

Many, I hope. Many.

12:55 PM  
Anonymous Doug said...

The one thing lamer than making grammar mistakes in a comment
is making a comment after it that's like "Just FYI, I noticed my grammar mistakes."

12:58 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You must be the most awkward man on earth. Rowan Atkinson must be relieved, at least.

5:06 PM  
Anonymous doug said...

oh man

i just laughed for like four minutes.

5:55 PM  
Blogger Adianna Alexandra Ash said...

Dear Ask Luke,
I want to have your opinion on something. What is your idea on vampires? REal or not? Or Do you read fantasy fiction at all? are you a non fiction person? I guess thats more than one question. Good luck with you blog.

6:52 PM  
Blogger quarto said...

Since Luke, my little brother that I live with asked, no, that wasn't me. I don't DO ANONYMOUS COMMENTS. Unless I just forget to sign my name.

Anyway, awkward isn't the word. I always equate that with being indecisive, which you certainly aren't.

10:44 PM  
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